Friday, March 30, 2007

elegiac, orbitesque. all you can eat

21 Comments:

Blogger Cocaine Jesus said...

toyist
mummy stuff

8:32 am  
Blogger Geddy Lee Helium Voice. said...

interesting utterances, CJ... opaque to me. Care to explain/expand ...?

9:47 am  
Blogger Cocaine Jesus said...

me being clever (for once/desperately trying) and doing the thing i wrongly accused you of doing, making in house jokes.
the two remarks come form Will Self's excellent novel 'The Book of Dave'.
sorry!

10:05 am  
Blogger Geddy Lee Helium Voice. said...

Nice one. So - is topical for you, as you are reading WS book, I seem to remember. I like WS. But never read him. I read little these days, actually. But I read a lot because of that - if I can inject that seeming contradiction.

You see, CJ, I like the phrases anyway - toyist, mummy stuff.

I see what you say about the seemingly exclusive nature of jargon. But toyist is just as much jargon if one is not familiar with it as is fancy long words like hermeneutics.

What I like is that my humble little post made you think of Will Self - and that, in doing so, you might have been happier than before you did.

11:05 am  
Blogger Cocaine Jesus said...

toyist is very much deliberatly jargon. in the book it is used in reference to anything man made or fake.
not that i think your art is fake but perhaps the concept behind it is? the sado masochism?
also in the book, which flits between future ing (england) set in ham (hampstead)and current london, casts women as very second class and therefore ALL women are known as mummies (if married) and opares (if not)
good book. up there with orwell.

12:51 pm  
Blogger Geddy Lee Helium Voice. said...

'...[N]ot that i think your art is fake but perhaps the concept behind it is?...'. CJ, don't understand your meaning. Can't see how a method of artworking can be fake in and of itself, firstly. But - re. your question to me - how can the concept 'behind' such a method be fake, in turn? Are you asking whether my personal intentions, as an artist/blogger, are fake? ie. am I operating a deception in making my artworks/blog posts? Are you asking me whether I am being false in some way? Gosh. No to both. Quite the opposite, in fact. What makes you ask such a question, please?

1:38 pm  
Blogger Cocaine Jesus said...

wasn't asking a question but rather making a comment about the book.
sado maschosim is a fraud. not real. manufactured. not your art. sorry if you thought that is what i meant.

1:44 pm  
Blogger Geddy Lee Helium Voice. said...

No problem. Just that you used a question mark in your statement. So I naturally thought you were asking me a question!

Oh well.....

SM - fake ... interesting idea. Whatdo you mean?

2:57 pm  
Blogger Geddy Lee Helium Voice. said...

More specifically, you say 'fraud'. How so?

2:58 pm  
Blogger Cocaine Jesus said...

i imagine that it is a bit of sexual theatre. kind of lets pretend to beat the fuck out of each other. lets pretend to tie you up and abuse you.
i guess both parties are consenting to a sexual 'act' rather than someone making you do something you don't want to do. therefore it must be phony.
am i right?

3:04 pm  
Blogger Cocaine Jesus said...

and when i say 'tie you up and beat you'...
not you that i am refering too!

3:16 pm  
Blogger Geddy Lee Helium Voice. said...

CJ, perhaps we are once again at cross-purposes. I'm not sure. I'll try to be measured in what I say. But I am confused by seemingly underlying things in your last few comments. Re-reading your 'fraud' remark, I still cannot see what your point is - is the basic thing. You did seem to be accusing me of some kind of deception - underlying my art. Obviously that feels like a personal attack. I'm a grown-up, though, so I can fend for myself - though I would rather have happiness and positivity, I am fully able to debate, argue, etc., however. Are we at that stage? I hope not. Are you wanting a serious, academic-style exchange about art, SM, whatever? If so - fine. Thing is, I cannot see what else your comment might legitimately mean other than a kind of insult. So can you explain what you meant as a starting point, please. Then there's your views on SM and its ambit. Again, I'm unclear on what it is you are actually trying to say. I am unclear, too, on how you are wanting to connect your charge that SM is fraudulent with your node that I might be similarly so. If you have questions you want to ask, please do so. If this blog comment public forum is too open aforum, then, by all means, email me your querries. I am an open and friendly person. I make my art honestly and I blog honestly. I've genuinely enjoyed this phase of my art-making life, as I've always been a networker, wanting to share ideas, and have a laugh. I sense certain tones in your words which seem to suggest you think otherwise of me. I'm willing to discuss these issues. But the ambiguity can't continue.

Cheers.

6:26 pm  
Blogger Cocaine Jesus said...

there is no ambiguity.
your art is not fraud nor have i hinted,implied, said or suggested it was, ever.

i repeat
your
art
is
not
fraud.
what i patently said was sado mascochism is fraud.

7:48 pm  
Blogger Cocaine Jesus said...

PS.
nor do i think that you are fraud.
you are real
i like your art if i didn't you wouldn't be here.
i admire what you do and enjoy seeing your contribution here.
nothing, to my knowledge have i ever said or writen is to your detriment. quite the reverse. i do not know you but i think i would like you.
i want you here.
i want your contribution.
my own feelings of being a total waste and a brain dead moron (christ knows enough school teachers told me so) sometimes influences my tone (perhaps) but
and i will not be repeating this ever again,
i like you and your art.
hopefully this clarifies everything 'cos at this moment in time i am innocent (clearly) and am feeling a tad pissed off for again having to explain myself when i feel i have done nothing wrong.
x

8:00 pm  
Blogger Cocaine Jesus said...

please see monday entry on reverse metal.

9:49 am  
Blogger Geddy Lee Helium Voice. said...

was happily sorted by email

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